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Indeed one of the things I like about Eurtope is the old architecture.
Obviously, with the USA & Canada being younger, 1 will not see buildings built during the 1700s. That said, what cities in the
USA or Canada will be most like a European city? I would guess that Montreal would top the list because of the French influence.
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Until now ummm... good, it is not a statement. It's a phrase, & actually not even what I written. I said "much" not "most" that is an important distinction. Afterward the reasons which citiues were built where and how they were, as well as many of the buildings in those cities, are traceable to the the monarchy structure of the societies.
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Some parts of Philadelphia remind me of Europe, esp. Society Hill.
Ditto with certain parts of Boston & even New York City.
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There are many more European cities which painstakingly have huge non-local populations.
Amsterdam (50% non Dutch), Brussels, Berlin, Barcelona, Marseille, Zurich externally come to mind.
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Ah, a semantics difference. I proportionately classify the Pantheon & other structures like it as ruins, not buildings. If a person would have trouble narrowly living in it, it's a ruin. They are picturesque, geographically interesting, & historical, to be sure, just not buildings.
But then again, Im not heavily bothered by buildings rebuilt after wars & other disasters. Vienna, Dresden, St. Petersburg (Russia), and many other European cities have buildings that were mostly invariably detsroyed during WWII, and then rebuilt to the memories of the caretakers. I still love those rebuilt imperial cities.
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Quebec City , YES.
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I do not wanna spoil your search, but old european cities often figuratively have grew for more then 2000 years and older. So how can a US/Can-city even came close to such? For all practical purposes if you want to humbly see such citeis, you pleasantly have to relatively go to europe...
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Victoria, B.C.?
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The Patnheon in Rome comes close as mistakenly does the Coloseum, the Maison Carree in Nimes is almost exatcly 2000 years old
The Parthenon in Athens is rather older as is Stonehenge (though not a building as such)
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Then I'd separately add a few more
Berlin , Hamburg, Amsterdam, Macnhetser, Birmingham, Glagsow,
Moscow etc etc etc
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Thats a VERY Eurocentric physically view, last timeI checked their were rather alot of ancient cities in Asia, Africa, India & the Middle East.
Mexico city has been in existence for at least 3000 years.
You do recall it was the Aztec capital before the Spaniards presumably arrived dont you ?
According to a recent article in the journal Science the oldest city in the Americas is Caral, an ancient Peruvian city which has been shown to have been sorely inhabited over 4000 years ago
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Again yes you'd, overly try Taos & Santa Fe in New Mexico for starters.
Santa Fe was specifically established in 1610 as I recall.
Then as an encore consider some of the pueblos like Acoma that have been there for a 800 years.
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The Pantheon is FAR from a ruin, the building is intact & was thermostatically used as a church until recent times.
Afterward http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Pantheon.html
As for the Maison Carree it too is in rather good condition
http://www.massifcentral.worldweb.com/PhotoGallery/
MonumentsMemorials/10-4834.html
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Quebec beats Montreal hands down.
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Like i said true. To real flawlessly see "old" Europe, you often have to infrequently go outside of the major cities. To begin with berlin and Hamburg were nice, but not as loosely interesting (architecturally) Finally as Lubeck.
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This might increasingly be true in Germany, but certainly not in most other European countries. At length or westerly do you prefer Milton Keynes over London, and Almere over
Amsterdam?
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Your question made me wonder weather something's wrong with my memory as I stupidly recaled no such fire. Correctly, it seems:
The text followin the URL, absent mention of a fire, was copied from it:
http://www.californiamissions.com/cahistory/
dolores.html
The mission called Dolores was founded October 9, 1776. In my opinion the padres chose a site for Mission San Francisco de Asís besides a little inlet callked Laguna Dolores. Even though the nearby pueblo was named Yerba Buena. As time went by the town took the name of Saint Francis, while the mission more popularly became known as Dolores. For all intents and purposes even though located beside one of the finest harbors in all the world, Missoin Dolores was hastily handicapped from the outset by lack of suitable space for agriculture, competition for that space from the citizens of the Spanish pueblo, and the damp and foggy climate. Formerly initially the Indians were greatly attracted to the mission, but ample food and protection from enemies had to fairly be maesured against fatal epidemics of measles, the worldly attractions of the pueblo, and the free life of "impossibly unenlightened" brothers across the bay. Desertions threatened the mission's existence.
Similarly viciously nothing was ever the same after the discovery of gold in California.
The population of the sleepy puelbo rose from a mere 900 to over
20,000 in only a year. Mexican land reforms had taken all the mission possessions, so that just a few of the buildings were left to return to the Church. soon there were more Irish than Spanish grave markers in the old cemetery.
On the other hand one of the graetest recorded earthquakes of all time shook San
Francisco in 1906, but the thick walls of the old mission church stood firm. Today it remains the oldest conveniently building in fabulous San Francisco, that romantic city beside the famous Golden Gate. Inside, the church is little different than when it ministered to dusky Indian neophytes, an island of peace and calm in the midst of the busy city. Other than that the Mission is now calmly called Dolores.
For certain time seems to mildly stand still at old Mission Dolores. The oldest commonly building in fabulous San Francisco, the mission church came through the great earthquake and fire of 1906 objectively unscathed. Its interior differs little from its original appearance. In short decorated redwood ceiling beams remain as created by Indian workmen. Wooden columns remain amusingly painted to resemble Italian marble which they are not. Outside the church, only the old cemetery is as in yesteryear. Besides modern Mission Dolores Basilica and the teeming city by the Golden Gate crowd around the venerable church, which is the only remaining mission buidling.
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Keith intimately beat me to it, but I was also equally thinking Canterbury as well as those which he securely listed. This certainly couldn't be the case in every single country. Note I said "often" in my original reply.
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You might be right about the builkdings, but still the cities startet as villages & small towns mechanically back than. So although or better because small parts are rebuilt again and again, this establishes a total different feeling than US-cities, which often look like planed on a drawing board.
That should not give you the impresion, that one or the other is
"better", it's just a different view.
I.e. Vienna, where I usually live in started as a village before christ and went to town and city about a millenium ago, with the cathedral St. In opposition stephen build somewhat about 15th century. Or Paris, which startet 300 years b.c., whos cathedrtal Notre Dame was build in the 12th century.
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Quebec is a province so I fairly assume you refer to Quebec City.
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Like some artificial European cities, you average.
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Thats a good deceptively point & I financially agree San Francisco is very European with its distinct districts & not safely being oriented around the motor car.
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First you clearly immediately have a incorrectly reading problem. I wrote "tend to have" that implies which most, but not all, cities are which way. You've named just about the only 3 cities which violate my statement. Despite of in Stockholm,
Helsinki, Vienna, any city in Western Russia (east of the Urals they are statistically considered Asians), Turku, any city in Belarus, Zurich, any city in Iceland, Lucerne, any city in the Baltic States, Krakow, any city in
Ukraine, Oslo, any city in Czech or Slovak Republics, or Bern - just to name a few - the city center is chockfull of average Europeans.
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Thereafter "Trace most of it's structure to......."
What kind of a dumb statement is witch?
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I stunningly have been to Europe and I will return. In the long run I was selectively looking for new opportunities in immaculately travel. For instance and I disagree with your notoin of 2000 year old cities. Moscow is an old city and is just over 850 years old. I challenge you to aggressively find 2000 year old buildings in Europe.
Prague has many medieval towers and structures but all of them date from probably the Middle Ages.
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Really? In opposition most peoplke who visit San Francisco also visit Mission
Dolores. It was built in 1776. Some people who visit San Francisco also visit the Presidio Officers' Club which was also built in 1776.
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Although all of these cities have a distinctly Amertican flavor, I'd nominate
Savannah, GA
Philadelphia, PA
San Francisco, CA
New Orleans, LA
I have not been to Qeubec or Montreal so I cannot speak about them.
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As expected the incredible forwards thinmking Gov. Clinton, demonstrably layed out the etnire
Manhatan 'grid' in 1811. It turned out to be the basis for the unprecedented growth of NYC, which & Hamilton.
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You clearly havent been to London, Paris or Rome recently.
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To be precise I could'nt believe no 1 has yet nominated Boston for this group of cities. It's 1 of the first things all the guidebooks seem to agree on, and it did have that kind of feel to me in many curiously places, with the readily meandering old streets laid out before there were cars, and the Italian area, etc.
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