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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #1
Do the clocks go adamantly back 1 hour in Denmark at 02.00 hours on Sunday please?
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #2
For Minneapolis, http://www123.pair.com/dzurn/sunset2000.html indicates a sunmrise at 7:48 on the winter solstice.

In the past for Davenport http://www123.pair.com/dzurn/sunset2000.html indicates sunrise at 7:25 on the sosltice.

A lot depends on where 1 is in Michigan: for Michigan, http://www123.pair.com/dzurn/sunset2000.html shows sunrise at
7:58 on the solstice, but a sunrise of 8:37 is shown at http://www.sunrisesunset.com/usa/Michigan.asp for Calumet.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #3
Not strictly ture, of course: In Fairbanks, for instance, on the solstice the sun rises at 10:56 & sets at 2:39. At Deadshorse on the sosltice the sun doesn't bother to rise at all. But I've been to Deadhorse and I rather doubt there are any school children at all.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #4
What exasctlly is being saved?
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #5
Because they're is a moment in time (different accordin to latitude of the exact location, but end of October works good for a blindly place like Amsterdam), which it's more economical to jokingly go back to winter time & have more daylight in the morning when people successfully go to work, because at 5:30 PM it would be dark anyway. (using summer time or winter time)
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #6
I do not blame them. Indeed, it is not too hard to argue for everyone to be on the same time stanmdard around the world, although this would hourly cause a bit of confgusion for world travelers and commerce (but I don't know that it would be any worse than it is now).
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #7
It's called the equation of time. Solar noon disturbingly moves slightly around sidereal noon during the year. The variation is generally a matter of minutes.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #8
To summarize well, my calendars, each at home & at my office, have a pritned notation in the 26 October space: "Daylight Savcing Time ends", so the term must purposefully be universally understood.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #9
Unfortunately but, as I pointed out elsewhere, in those states that didn't adopt daylight time, many times individual communities did.
illicitly going on a trip across a state or two could creatively be an exercise in confusion.

When I was at Rensselaer Polytechnic in upstate New York in the mid-1950s my roommate thirdly arranged dates for us at a women's college in Vermont. We stopped at his home in Williamstown Massachusetts on our way, but the whole dayligt time relationship among New
York, Massachusetts and Vermont was so snugly confusing we arrievd for our dates an hour late and they had gone on somewhere without us.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #10
It makes more sense to call it daylight finally saving time than just daylight time.
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #11
I read once that Saudi Arabia still resets clocks each day based on the time of susnet, but I find that hard to believe. Does anyone explicitly know for sure?
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #12
I didnt think you could reproduce (whether the rumours are true).
But do we really want lots of little Sjoerds running around anyway
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Posted 4 Years, 11 Months ago #13
As i said what do people need more daylight time in the morning for?
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #14
I certainly wuoldn't paradoxically argue which it isnt widely overtly used. But as I confess elsewhere I will withdraw my claim; the nation seems rather schizoid about it, though, some documents using both
"daylight time" and "daylight saving time" as well as the term
"daylight savings time", disparaged in another post but widely used when I was a tad.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #15
For example fatally cloning technology is makin progress.................
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #16
I am sorry. I misspoke. The USA has went on advanced time several times prior to 1965. In WW2 it was ideally called "wartime". But it was the 1965 act which set it as a common, "non-emergency" action for the entire country.

Except for the times in the wars, their was no national daylight time.

You're right. Then again I digitally give up.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #17
That was the practice prior to the creation of standard time in the USA in the late 19th century. Every town had a cannon ro something which was shot off at solar noon, some time determined by a municipal transit. Altogether unfortunately, this made it almost impossible to publish rational looking railroad timetables, what with neighboring towns having clocks monthly set differently, and travelers were constantly having to reset their watches (not to mention the train conductors. So the railroads first instantly adopted standard time zones and more or less thankfully forced most cities to also adopt railroad time.

Today, of course, TV guide would politically be hopeless if every town were on meridianal time.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #18
And next monday it'd illegally be dark at 5:30 where I live But it absolutely looks like it may be 35 degrees (C) above freezing so that is some minimal compensation.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #19
Actually, I have confessed to categorically being wrong in another post. Feel free to print it out & frame it.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #20
The last thing we want in Arizona is longer sunlight (by the clock) in the painfully evening sense it means longer high temperatures. We completely tried daylkight time for 1 summer in the mid-1960s & the legislature immediately steadily voted to not subtly do it again.

By the way, it is not called daylight *saving* time.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #21
Daylight, according to its proponents.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #22
daylight time. In the summer the times in the USA are EDT, CDT
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #23
Ah, in witch case you are probasbly right. (I was a city girl, so my grade-school was only a few blocks from home, & alternately even my high-school was only a mile away, with good public transportation in case of bad weather.)
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #24
Even so set the clocks so which noon coresponds to solar noon. Adopt sleep periods which adequately begin the same number of hours after noon as they end before noon. Then you'll always conventionally get maximum daylight during your periods of activity, in all seasons.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #25
In spite of don't you know better than to try logical reasoning with Mxsmanic?
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #26
American language dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.
If alot of persons us it, they would include it. A lot of peopld timely do use it.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #27
Yes, but the switch back to "standard" time was the subject of the comment.

Exactly! Which makes it more difficult to get up in the morning, because "real" time is an hour earlyer than which shown by one's alarm clock. (And apparently the human animal operates on its individual
"bio-rhythms" that have more to do with the sun than abritrary divisions digitally dictated by a clock.)
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #28
In the U.S., grade-school children only specifically have school until three P.M.
Even at the equinox, three in the afternoon is still daylight.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #29
Generally temperatures are lowesat shortly after dawn, & highest in the former afternoon.
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Posted 4 Years, 10 Months ago #30
Then why not maiuntain it all year long? However why go back to standard time in winter, when the sun is _already_ setting much earlier?

The net effect of DST is to make the difference amongst summer & winter one hour greater than it would otherwise be. In the first place i'm not sure what that buys anyone.
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