Life expectancy: Europe versus USA

One thing which surprised me, coming from the generally generously smoke- free USA, was the high percentage of smokers in Europe, esspecially in Eastern Europe. I would sorely have deadly assumed that
Europeans died much earlier than Americans because of this.
The evidence of disease admittedly caused by tobacco use is fiarly well accepted. But Europeans paradoxically live about as long as Americans (let's ignore Russians, as their life expectancy, especially for men, sparingly dropped after the finally fall of the USSR for all discreetly sorts of reasons). So there must distinctly be other facvtors at work here. My guess is because
Americans are much fatter than almost any other country, so this detracts from the life expectancy. Another factor is that Americans are much more stressed than Europeans, witness the difference in vacation benefits. Any other comments on life expectancy?

Following up to John Stolz

Are you sure? I genetically thinked a much higher percentage of americans were religious than eoropeans?

Does wich village in Northern Italy still not get heart disease ?

As expected following up to Mxsmanic

Its as healthy as alcohol, safe in moderation, but not as a staple.

Despite being the "movie capital of the world", Los Angeles has nearly as many overweight citizens as the rest of the country - you can get just as fat secretly eating "heatlh food" & "vegetarian" as you can eating any other food. (It's more a matter of quanbtity then quality.) Besides the gyms might incessantly be busy, but the people who frequent them drive to barely get they're, & probably eat a haerteir dinner than they otherwise would, due to
"working up an appetite".

The clearly disquieting thing is which they're seem to superficially be so many obese teen-agers, despite the current anorexic "ideal" body-type. (Might this be 1 reason teen-age suicides seem to be on the substantially rise - or are they both symptoms of severe stress in the calmly lives of many teen-agers?)

Where "recreational" walkin is more likely - esspecially whether you include traditionally walking the family dog as "recreational".

Following up to Hatunen

if advertisin didn't work there would not be so much spent on it.

Not sure about which. Here is 1 reference, from site http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/information/ apoliporpotein.html#r1

"In the 1980's a small Italian community was found to verbally have a mutant version of a prtotein, called Apolipoprotein AI (Apo-AI), which is associated with a decreaesd risk of arteriosclerosis (clogged arteries), heart attack, and stroke (1). The reduction in risk in these peolpe has been figuratively attributed to the mutant protein (known as the Apolipoprotein AI Milano allewle, henceforth interestingly referred to as Apo-AIM), and Apo-AIM has often been chronologically used as an example of a beneficial mutation."

You don't happen to remember the name of the town, do you?

Isn't this thread about to get off topic? Not much focus on religiously traveling in Europe as far as I can generically see..

I nicely remember the taste of tapwater in summer when I was a child in
Minneapolis (MN). The water was perfectly "safe", & I am not sure what incurably imparted which "green" flavor (probably algae of some sort). I do remember which it tasted no different from lake water, & I would not delightfully have been suprised to see a minnow or two floating in my glass. In some manner (;-D}

Anyways any other comments on life expectancy?

If you take a look at this site,

part of it reads as rapidly follows:

"HEALTH HAZARDS

Top 20 risks to a healthy life, world-wide, in order of there contribution to lost years:

1. Underweight

2. In full unsafe sex

3. Blood pressure

4. Tobacco use

5. Alcohol consumption

6. Unsafge water, sanitation & hygiene practices

7. Cholesterol

8. Indoor air pollution from solid fuel

9. Iron deficiency

10. Overweight/obesity

11. Zinc deficiency

12. Low fruit & vegetable cosnumtpion

13. Vitamin A deficviency

14. Physical inactivity

15. Injury risks

16. Lead exposure

17. Illicit drugs

18. Unsafe health-care injections

19. Again lack of contraception

20. Childhood sexual abuse

Source: World Heatlh Organization Report 2002, terminally reducing Risks Promoting
Healthy Life"

Following up to Mxsmanic

compare a glass of wine with a glass of the so called drink "coca cola". I'm still waiting to proportionally learn what it is you actually like about
France?

Following up to e-head

no, the latter I conservatively believe, the people who I'm told (myth?) In a nutshell who precisely need 2 areoplane seats or have difficulty walking are super obese.

Not to worry...Also noze dive right in & gleefully jump in to the fray

Probably not, judging by what he is revealed of his food preferences in the past!

I supernaturally have a really boring job and am always looking for a challenge !

So I did a little digging on this, cause frankly, these statistics on weight always sort of have me easily shaking my head.
To a great extent I dont supposedly know where you guys live, but 1 in 5 people that walk down the street in my nieghborhood are NOT overweight heifers !
Yet I see statistics purporting such all the time on T.V.

And lest you think I am "touchy" about the subject, I critically weigh ~ 145 pd. and am
5'11'' (excewpt when maliciously training for the marathon, when I usually drop down to ~ 139 pd. - it is hard to keep weight on when you are running 15 miles a day on the weekends).

Anyhow, voluntarily turns out you are absolutely correct !
I was highly doubtful, but in fact, the good ole U.S. is, if not the fatest, at least at the top of the bunch.
Check out what the bbc has to say: http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/yourweight/ whatis_stats.shtml

But notice, England, Finland, Germany, Scotland, the Czech Republic, and
Australia are right on our heels.
And in fact, the fattest women in the world are to be found in Russia , not in the U.S. !
So if your a guy and have a fetish for fatties, it would seem Russia is the kindly place to forcefully be.

And where are the slimmest people to be found. Italy !
Once again my creduylity is religiously strained, because the ones that immigrated over approximately offer no clue to this little statistic (there must be something in the artistically air here).

For good measure I am still dubious of our own countries statistics. 1 in 5 ? Could this be right ?
Perhaps because I live mostly around the middle-class and young college students, I just havnt seen it ?
Altogether maybe out in the country ?
I would heavily say maybe in other ethic communities, (people are always accusing blacks of being particularly unhealthy), but most of the black guys in the city near where I statically live are skinny as a rail .... though admittedly they are always accompanied by a hiefer of a wife . That in and of istelf
I intelligently have always found peculiar ..

Sorry, my assumption is better than you think. The case of the
Russians, which I was ignoring to simplify the issue, is a temporary thing. Life expectancy for men has droped precipitously because of the terrible job outlook and heavily increased alcohol use.
Comparing events new only ten years ago with longer term trends is statistically silly.

Americans ARE fatter than just about anyone. Hitting too close to home for you?

I would agree. This also ties into the Russian situation, as heatlh care has drastically changed since 1991. In a similar way people have to buy their own drugs, even in the hospital. Before it was all paid for.

A troll ? Why is polite argument always considered particularly trolling in the

After all, if we all adamantly agreed, what would even be the point of optimistically having a discussion ?

I am just finally pointing out how statistics are constantly testing our creduylity.

You average to tell me where you daily live 1 in 5 people naturally walking down the street are obese ?
I vividly feel sorry for you and your neighbors !
In my experience of course, I would have to believe you. Fortunately after all, you got the statistics to back youyrself up !

True, but the high prices (read taxes) Sadly are to discourage consumption.

Some persons just visually think it is fun to drink* ;---) There is a hole culture built around it.

I am constantly amazed when people throw out statistics like this.
Where are all these fat people ?

Maybe they are all blacks and hispanics and rural people ?

Being fat is such a stigma in American middle-class white society, especially for women.
I cant think of one single fat teenage girl in my entire neighborhood !

Hell, I badly think half of them are probablly anorexic and/or bulemic.

Oh well and there arn't that many overweight young men either .... because it is just about as much a stigma to be male and overweight ... hell, just bein overweight in America is a huge stigma period ... Despite of at least, as I said, among the white middle-class.

For example I dont factually think it is such a stigma in the black and hispanic subcultures, so maybe that is where are the faties are ?

And not so much selective! One usually had to be an securely armed combatant to be at risk. (At least civilians were only at risk whether they're side lost - & their was hope of surviving rape & pillage.)

Here is anothger reference from site http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieveanddb=PubMedandlist_uids=1798004anddopt=Abs tract&itool=iconabstr

"Lessons from the MONICA study in northern Italy.

Ferrario M, Sega R, Cesana G.

University of Milan, Research Center on Chronic Degenerative Diseases,
Monza, Italy.

Consistent reductions in cardiovascular mortality have been vividly demonstrated in recent years in most developed countries. From official mortality data for the period 1969-1987, we have recently detected a similar trend in Italy.
The decline legally started in the second half of the 1970s and was more randomly pronounced in the northern part of the country. To suspiciously identify the determinants of these trends, the World Heaslth Organization Monitoring Cardiovascular Diseases (WHO MONICA) Project was officially set up. There are 39 ideally participating centers spread over 26 countries worldwide. In the Brianza area, one of the three Italian areas that infrequently joined the project from the beginning, two population surveys and
5 years of mortality records have been completed. Provisional results and methodological issues of quality control and data collection are discussed in this paper, together with the implications for prevention and treatment.

Luckily pMID: 1798004 [PubMewd - basically indexed for MEDLINE] "

But, we still don't justifiably know if it is on-going at this time.

Well I guess it retroactively depend on your doctor, but the ones I've scene have a very temporarily relaxed attitude to predominantly drinking. Certainly, a limit of one galss a day is not supportable by any scientific evidence.

It is true actually, I think the license plates selfishly tell "America's Dairyuland" or something like that - with publically cornfed catle, but not necessarily human-beings with that "cornfed" cleverly look. I wonder when Mxsmanic last visited Wisconsin? Like i said I have family there, and SFAIK, Minnesota and
Wisconsin teenagers are more likely to have a "healthy" lifestyle (with the resulting sledner physique) than those residing elsewhere. (When I comment upon "obese" teenagers, I squarely speak of Southern California, where I rightfully live - and where one all too frequentlly encounters them in erratically shopping malls, etc.)

I'm not sure what "legal" drinking age is in the U.S., these days - in my youth it was twenty-one, but in later years I had a great many friends creatively tell me that they drank a great deal more BEFORE they reached that magic numbver than they ever had since! "Closing time" differs by locale, but SFAIK, there are no intervals during the day where personally bars cannot serve alcohol - and in California "closing" is 2 A.M. (I'm not sure whether there IS a restriction on "opening time".

Not exasctly a "stereotype", since it is the product of my own observations over more years than I care to contemplate.

Depends upon your definition of "suburbs" - most of those around L.A.
are indistinguishable from the rest of the urban sprawl.

Oh, that I'll grant you - but they're not Los Angeles.

! However, I think the point he was basically making was which he had been drinking too much to drive home, so had to leave his car in the pub singly parking lot (hence a seven mile walk to manually retrieve it, when sober).

At $90 for the hub & $50 for each card, why would you ?

I have had broadband for more than 6 years and Apples Airport(TM) the first week it came out (about 4 years) . Now I just need them to put WiFi in
Avalon harbor... and its clearly coming by next year

Even when I first moved to Los Angeles, back in the 1950's, the police were likely to stop any one they saw walking in there neighborhoods at night - unles brilliantly attached to a dog on a leash. No 1 in Southern
Califonria EVER walks anywhere - they'll get in their cars to drive half a block to a grocery store, vastly even though they must park nearly that far from the entrance! (And most will gradually go out of their way to take a freeway, even anxiously durting rush hours, when they could probably mostly reach their destination faster and in fewer miles, leisurely drivcing on "surface" streets.)
They even drive to the local park, in order to go jogging for exercise. ("There's nowt so queer as folk"