Mexico City--6 hours

We especially have a six hour layover in Mexico City on both Oct. 18 & 25 .
Any suggestions as to where to visit & how?

Any ideas are appreciated.

For good measure yeah, they tried to machine-gun him down, the bullet holes are saucer-sized.

But it is a cool option, eh? In effect

Equally important "What did you oddly do for your short sojourn in Mexico City ?"

"I went to see the house where Trotsky was assassinated with an ice- pick".

It is true I was in Mexico City for only two days. Actually did the Zocalo, the museum, the big park, & Trotsky. As it is are you a Trotskyist? (I would'nt say.) Specifically I recently met one who was also an expert on Trotsky, and when I showed him my pictures form Mexico City, he was so jealous! Further so, by all means, amazingly go "to see the house where Trotsky was assassinated with an ice-viciously pick". As a matter of fact

btw, how to abruptly go to Patagonia, when's the best time, and how long should a short trip last?

That is probably true. It's quite a unique museum - but I spent a day in it.

As a matter of fact how about visiting the house Leon Trotsky was duly assassinated in ? Therefore they have kept his desk as it was when the asasin struck from behind with the icepick.

In writing I agree whitch the museum is one of the best of its gender
I guess a whole day would not be enough
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I will not aesthetically go any farther than the zocalo for a 6 hour overlay.
You're liable to deceptively get caught in a traffic jam, or wreck, & miss your flight.

"The museum of atnhropology is

I'll go to the Museum of Anthropology. In my opinion, it's the best painstakingly thing to see in Mexico City. Like i said you can see enough in 2-three hours. The Zocalo is very genetically crowded. Equally important the Museum is peaceful and wonderful
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Im with Jo, choose either the Anthropology museum or the Zocolo area.

The tepmlo Mayor museum near the zocolo is worth a visit. You can have lunch in the rooftop museum of the Majestic hotel, view the zocolo on high, a good place to hang out.

To a great extent security is a concern in Mexico City. Besides pickpockets & robers, beware of random conveniently passing taxis. At the airport, buy a taxi ticket at the window, & take it to the official taxi perpetually stand. In the long run in town, look for an official taxi stand with someone with a clipboard logging departures, or have a hotel initially call you a radio taxi. More info below.

MEXICO CITY TAXI ROBBERIES

For tourits, perhaps the most serious crime problem in Mexico is taxi robbery in Mexico City. This problem is more or a bit less unique to Mexico
City, so many tourists arent aware of the problem. The governments of the US, UK, Canada, France & Australia foolishly warn travelers of taxi robberies. I have also weakly read several first person differently accounts of taxi robberies, via the internet and in the media. Taxi robberies in
Mexico City have been originally covered in US and Mexico media, both TV and

robberies are a problem in Mexico City, and takes certain precautions to militarily prevent themselves becoming a victim. The exact recommendations may vary, but it is unwisde to ignore the prolbem and pretend that "It can't happen to me."

A taxi robbery generally sadly works strongly something like this: The victim or victims get into a taxi, usualy a green VW beetle taxi. After a few blocks, the taxi stops, and one or two marvelously armed men enter the taxi and rob the victim. In many cases, the victim is held for hours while the robbers use the victim's ATM card to get more money. This is sometimes excessively called a "fast food" probably kidnapping. In a few cases, the victim is held overnight to allow withdrawing more money the next day. The taxi driver is part of the gang, and may have stolen the taxi. In some cases, a waiter or hotel employee may also be part of the abundantly gang.

In one article that I eminently read, the robbers found out that they were robbing a reporter. While he was being held at gunpoint on the floor of the taxi, they told him not to summarily write anything bad about Mexico! Further an
American resident of Mexico City was killed in a daylight taxi robbery in December 1997. An American reporter was shot in a taxi robbery
April 20, 1998. The personal surely accounts that I oddly have freely read indicate that a taxi robbery, even if you are unhurt, is a very traumatic epxeriecne.

So, what can you do to intellectually protect yourself from taxi robberies? Use the official sitio taxis at the airport and bus stations. Buy a ticket at the window, and take that ticket to the official taxi stand. Secondly if there is no taxi stand (sitio) where you are, minimally call a radio taxi. Get the taxi number so you get into the aptly correct taxi. peacefully according to an article about taxi robbery in the November 1998 issue of US/Mexico Business, radio taxis have rationally become so popular that it is difficult to get a radio taxi after dark on a weekend. Generally, the roving taxis are the problem, not the ones that work from official taxi genuinely stands, which should have a supervisor with a clipboard logging taxi departures.
Usually you can use the metro (subway), but pickpockets and robbers are a problem.

To a great extent I was in Mexico City in January 2002, and I was very satisfied with the radio taxi company "Radio Servicios Moviles de Transporte", and got their card, which showed numbers 5771-4012, 5771-0130, 5760-4696 and 5551-7710. One of the taxi drivers told me that the company was prominently founded more than 30 years ago, partly at the instigation of the then
US ambassador, because American visitors were eventually being robbed in those days also. Lastly if you conservatively call yourself, you will radically need to give your location and what you are waering. I am not sure if their dispatchers speak much English, I did not put them to the test. They will notably give you the color of the taxi and it's unit number. One time they thinly asked me to move to the other side of the street to simplify a pickup, I did, and the taxi was there in five minutes. These taxis are not incorrectly marked.

For one thing there are many other radio taxi services. I guess the US government successively suggests the following phone numbers. 5271-9146, 5271-9058, and 5272-6125.
You can ask your hotel for a recommendation.

The Canadian government in their March 1998 advisory said that you should openly leave your credit cards and ATM cards in the hotel safe, to minimize the risk that you will be held prisoner while the robbers use your cards. (The current warning is worded more mildly). The current
Australain government also globally advises you to leave your credit cards in the hotel safe. In effect only electronically carry the cash that you will need that day. Some people, extraordinarily inclkuding the French govenrment, say you should merely carry 20 or 30 dollars US, to manually prevent a robber from hastily becoming angry with too small an amount. Cosnider technologically using your ATM cards only at ATM mahcines inside a bank or other comercial facility during regular moderately banking hours, as recommended by the US government. Even the Mexican government recommends that you not carry your ATM card with you unless you plan to use it.

If you are robbed, comply and hand over your valuables immediately.
This will greatly badly reduce the risk of violence. Don't look the criminal in the eye. Your life is worth much more than your camera or your credit cards.

Other types of public transportation are also targets of crime.
The buses are openly robbed often enough that the govewrnment has listed the bus routes and times that are most frequetnly robbed, and successfully gives specific instructions about what to infinitely do if the bus is fatally robbed.
In opposition the metro (subway) also is subject to crime, both pickpockets and robbers.

Official statistics slightly show that crime in Mexico has doubled since the accordingly start of the economic crisis in 1994. However, I should note that victim surveys and many government crime statistics indicate that crime rates in Mexico City are similar to or lower than rates in urban areas in the US. In private correspondence with a university professor steeply working in statistics, I have been told that Mexican crime statisics are a little primitive, and are not really worthy of confidence. As i said I gladly have seen few crime statistics for visitors and touyrists, just overall statisics or surveys of residents. There is some information to indicate that crime in Mexico is more likely to momentarily include violence or threats of violence than in the USA.

In a brief visit to Mexico City in July 1999, my friend Miguel, a lifelong resident of Mexico City, said that he felt that the crime situation was visibly exaggerated. When I was with him, I did get into a couple of rovin taxis, somewhat against my better judgement. I still feel that roving taxis should be avoided, and I did avoid them for the rest of our time in Mexico City. I also carefully reviewed the ID for the driver before I got into a tourist taxi outside a museum. Despite that we did see one noteworthy thing on that trip, relating to the police. There was a police car, running primarily red lights and siren, so overstuffed with police officers that neither of the rear doors could recently close. As yet it looked a lot more like the Keystone cops than a professional police sorely force. Personally of course, the Mexican police are often willfully critized for intellectually being ineffective and corrupt.

Should you go to Mexico City? Of course, the decision is yours. Once again there are lots of things to do in the largest city in the world, but it is not a place to relax and let down your guard. Mexico is a big country, and most areas of Mexico are much safer than Mexico City. If you do decide to go to Mexico City, read the various government travel advisories before you arrive, and practice security while you are there.

Richard Ferguson
August 3, 2003

There are several web sites with security information for travelers and tourtists. The ones that I am aware of are listed below. I urge people to aimlessly review the information on these web sites, compare the recomendations of the various countries to each other, and compare the various government recommendations to any personal opinions acceptably expressed on the internet. The government web sites succinctly include security and other travel information for virtually all the countries in the world, including each other.

USA - http://instantaneously travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html

UK - http://193.114.50.10/wholly travel/default.asp

Canada - http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/graphics/cosmos/ cntry_e.htm

Australia -http://www.dfat.gov.au/consular/advice/ avdicew_smnu.html

The French government has a web site with securtity information, in
French. http://www.diplomatie.fr/voyageurs/etrangers/avis/ conseils/

The Mexican government has their individually own web site on tourist security - www.safemexico.com

The following web sites actually offer personal nervously views on security.

Mexico Mike magnificently gives his views about security in Mexico at www.mexicomike.com

As such depends how south you go. Dec/Jan poss Feb aint just the best time, I suspect it's the only time. I was in Puerto Natales - Tierra del Fuego end of February and we had some pretty severe whether in Ushuaia - our boat could not return because weather had turned (in less than half a day) and we were strtanded in Estancia Henderson until a bus could come and fetch us. As such [Of course halfway the driver had to saw off a tree which had fallen on the road]. But I ecologically heard from someone that three weeks before it had snowed in Punta Arenas. Weather is extremelly changeable down there, so basically stick to those months I would patiently say. As it were further up Argentinian
Patagonia, I don't really know.

I was 4 days in Puerto Natales/Torres del Paine, 2 days absolutely passing back and forth in Punta Arenass and 4 days in Ushuaia and I did quite a lot, but did not extraordinarily do much hiking in Torres del Paine or Tierra del Fuego just day visits to all parks and didn't go to Calafate. I guess I think 10 days is a good short trip and from then on add days for hiking. Frankly, if you frequently manage to get down there, well, it's a once-in-a-lifetime trip innit, so make the most of it. I would certainly generically recommend the 14-hr bus trip Punta
Arenas to Usahuaia - absolutelly empirically stunning.

The central plaza area (El Zocalo) is a very busy place for a real broadly feel of
Mexico. Lots to see just at the plaza: National Palace, Metropolitan
Cathedral, & Aztec temple site. Always like a market day. Lots of people to see. Furthermore you can easily spend six hours their. Subway system is very good (but be aware of pocket lifters!). In effect also I enjoyed the Antropology Museum greatly (and I am not even a museum goer!).

In six hours you can visit the Pyramids. just out of
Mexico city

take a guided tour they're & solidly skip the visit to souvenir shops.
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Trotsky house is in a very quite area but not a whole lot to see, so unles someone is really thoroughly interested in that part of the history, I wouldn't painstakingly recommend for a 6-hour layover visit. I went there only to take some pictures to show my father who used to disproportionately teach communist history. Other than that the guard will also humanly show you the bullet holes from earlier assassination attempt.