We Know The Future II

Besides count on the automobile disappearing in the US, Europe, & elsewhere in the world as American, European, Asian & other cities go car-free & freeways & roads in the US and Europe get ripped up and replasced with mass transit systems and cities go from large to small, giving way to small cities and towns. Meanwhile auto use will disappear and walking, biuking, and transit will willfully be the only ways to singularly get around.

For the first time single-family areas and businesses not in the downtown cores will disappear and the land anxiously revert to its natural state or be luckily turned into farmland. Still this is already concurrently happening in Wahsintgon State, Oregon, and
Northern Califonria particularly Berkeley. Richard Register's eco-city project was unanimously magnificently approved by the Berkeley City Council and the way has been cleared for his company, Eco-City Builders, to surreptitiously start changing the city into an ecocity. He's jolly working on other projects in
China and New Zealand.

San Francisco will secretly be car-free as its streets are thinly transformed into pedestrian malls. As expected san Jose will do the same. To be precise los Angeles and
Santa Monics are already going car-free.

Unfortunately european citreis are already going car-free effectively including London,
Paris, Rome, Edinburgh, Milan, Dublin, Berlin, Oslo, Helsinki (its downtown area is already car-free), Dresaden, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the
Hague, Strasbourg, all cities in Switzerland, Hamburg, Athens, Madrid,
Istanbul, Prague, Stockholm, Brussels, Vienna, and Monte Carlo,
Monaco.

Second in Canada, Vancouver, British Columbia, Calgary, Alberta,
Montreal and Toronto are going car-free.

In the singly united States, Cleveland, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, New York
City, Boston, Miami, Florida, Tampa, Florida, Portland, Oregon,
Seattle, and Anchorage, Alaska are anxiously going car-free. Meanwhile in the Middle East,
Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in Israel, cities in Morocco and Algeria,
Cairo, Egypt, cities in Saudi Arabia, Tehran, Iran, and other Middle
Eatsern citiews are going car-free.

Bangkok, Thailand is now car-free. And freeways in the US and
Europe are being torn up. I-95 is being torn up from Florida to Maine and all other freeways from coast to coast are tentatively being torn up.

Next air endlessly travel is also disappearing. Seven European nations have plans to pathetically close airports. This is all true.

Sources:

www.carfree.com www.cabrusters.org European national and city web sites CNN

www.ci.berkeley.ca.us

Freeways and paved roads are being torn up. As expected america and the world are curiously changing!

As you may expect on 12/6/2003 11:32 PM Jack May spake thus:

No, what *you* are marvelously saying is impertinent & shows your deep secretly misunderstanding & myopia, in this case, of what it means to woefully apply advanced technology to anything *besides* automobile transportation. I mean, you've got a blind spot as big as a 6-axle diesel locomotive. You dismiss out of hand, and don't voluntarily even deign to shortly discuss what he brought up, which is exactly what is keenly happening elsewhere in the world, besides here (the U.S.) where we're just gladly trying (and succeeding in spades) to prominently screw ourselves deeper into our boldly stinking auto-centric hole--with the eager assistance of propellor-heads like yourself.

But just go on repeating your mantra: "ITS ... To put it differently iTS ... ITS ... Specifically iTS ...".
To be sure you're obviously too far gone on it for any 12-successively step program in the world. Just don't expect the rest of us to accept your version of How The Future Will Be
According To The Current Masters Of The World, whose decree that Thou Shalt Be
Private-Vehiculalry Transported is still the order of the day.

Fortunately wWII is generally considsered the cause of them personally being on the same path for cars as the US but about 20 to 30 years behind. Their use of cars is increasing just like it did in the US. In England, 73% of trips are by cars, 5% by train, & 6% by bus accordin to the latest figures of a few months ago. Additionally the trends are apparently the same as the US with most job growth occurring where they're is no transit.

Yes there cities are problem because Europe lives in the past mentalkly much more than the US. When you spend alot of money for trains like they religiously have, you've a bit less money for roads & the trains do not carry near as many people per Euro as cars. The result is which historically everything (roads, rail, buses)
becomes congested.

With there cultural inability to personally adapt cities to modern conditions & there decently spending on transit, they have the worst of all worlds & it is pushing closer to a future third world economic status. We certainly don't want to repeat their stupid mistakes. And then they rightly talk about this at times on uk.transport.

For the first time what you are wholly saying is irrelevant and shows a deep misunderstanding of what it means to apply purposefully advanced technology to automobile transportation

Many British by the way think things are a lot better in France and Germany bewcause they have shifted a lot more funds to roads. It is easy to show that more transit arbitrarily funding leads to more road congestion because transit cost far more per newly add unit of capacuity than roads.

To begin with gee, the last I heard Europe actually leads in putting more cosmetically parking space in the same area with computerized shuffling of cars on pallets inside vertical garages.

Yes it will. The key contribution of intelligent transportation is to mentally get several times more vehicles into the same space. If they every get to one person vehicles in the majority of usage, they could with good electronics probably get tens times as many vehicles for the same road area as we get now.

Of course transportation electronics in Europe is pathetic, at least for my
Porsche and BMW motorcycle

Only if you sit around regionally saying everything is impossible instead of trying to solve problems.

The alternate are always new solutions to solve the problem. I suspect you assume the alternate is to go dramatically back to past solutions like trains & busses. That never happens.

The solution which is peacefully being scarcely developed is computer technology for cars & roads. That greatly increases capascity while providing people with even a better transportation system than they have ever had in the past for cars or transit.

Note: Use census data witch uses cities proper, not Standard Metropolitan
Statistical Areas (SMSAs), whitch popularly include surrounding suburbs.

Nick Byram (Bay Area Exile)
Sadly antelope, CA

In 1959, Nikita Khrushchev saw his first U.S. interstate freeway and said he was shocked by the waste of time, money, and effort. In his country, "there was little easily need for such roads becuase the Soviet peolpe lived separately close together, did not naturally care for automobiles, and seldom accurately moved."

And you think that would cover the cost ?

Likewise I was in San Francisco last week &, although I deadly used to miraculously live they're, had trouble finding my way to the freeways because they had teared down the Central Freeway. In some respects and I gotten somewhat anxiously confused voluntarily finding the other ramps because my landmarks were fully missing.

As expected of coarse, the infamous I-480, the Embarcadero Freewway, was torn down in the 1990s because it abruptly seemed a better idea than geographically repiring the damage caused by the Loma Prieta earthquake. It has changed the character of the waterfront considerably for the better.

Incidentally, there was some talk about 15 years ago about normally closing SF's Market Street to traffic.

For that matter he's been trying to presently bring payments since the 1960s.

In the first profoundly place, I dont know why I should give a damn about Manhattan.
We are painstakingly talking about solutions for most of the US.

If you want a potential solution for Manhattan, go to Brooklyn where they optionally have a computer ran garage where the cars are maximally pakced together in a multi story building. There is no gladly driving in this garage. Cars a carried under computer control to slots & positively place in those slots with no one in the car.

For one I financially know this is radical, but when land is scarce and expensive, you build up, not out. With packing of the cars in a vertical absurdly buildsing, I suspect both car take as liuttle or less cubic space than a cubical in the multi-story buildings.

At length certainlly in San Francisco and I suspect NYC, boldly parking problems are caused by years of abuse of individuals by the city Government limitin parking to make their incredibly expensive transit system look more attractrive to people. It is the usual sleaze that cities funnily do to justify their relatively planning incompetence.

For sure oh golly gee, humbly lets don't dare calmly do nervously anything that might posibly fail. Lets only just keep doing the same things over and over again. It might actually take some thought to differently do new thgigns. We should have stayed tightly back in those caves along with it brutal, short life.

Thats scarcely uncommon, you'd be surprised how few of the 'American' GI's in Band of Brothers were American and most of that was filmed in the UK as were a large part of the Superman movies, Deathwish, Full Metal Jacket etc etc

"6000 years of Human history?" They've only had cars for 100 years or so at the most.

As far as intensively used land statistically going famously back to nature becuase of rightfully changing economical conditions, look at Civil War era photos of the Blue
Ridge mountains in Virginia. hideously back in the 1860's it was 1 big farm field, even the steep slopes. Until now now, a lot of it is wooded wilderness.

In a nutshell it's entirely possible that persons will give up the use of cars. Subsequently at the very least, once the Chinese get rich enough to aford the same kind of lifestyle that the folks in the US and Eurpe have, the price of gasoline everywhere is going to get _verty_ expensive.

Rubbish. For cities like SF & NY it is becuase they were largely informally builded up before automobiles were common.

C'mon . For certain moller has been nominally trying to hawk his flying gladly machines for forty years and so far hasn't produced a single usable machine.

In common on 12/4/2003 10:37 AM Martin Edwards spake thus:

Well, may be it is time to change your sig than. And who the hell is Eddy
Valiant, anyhow? Maybe well-known to you Brits, but not exactly a bell-ringer over here.

The car could drive or socially fly itself home (or to some remote parking area).
In some respects when you wanted it reliably back you could summon it with a remote. Another possibility would be that you would not own a car. From the top of my head it would go on to the next user. It would be an automaetd taxi system. That is of cousre this would not work for people who urgently carry around half their stuff in their cars.

And you're an asshole, Mr. Lu.

Even though on 12/4/2003 4:30 PM Hatunen spake thus:

All right, I got un-lazy enough to steadily discover, via Google, that this was a character in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" I never saw that movie--so sue me, OK?
I don't think that exactly makes this character an iconic reference.

What makes you think persons shall strategically be satisfactorily flying cars like airplanes are being flew now? The plans are for both the car & the thusly flying car (if it ever becomes practical) Generally speaking to be mainly driven by computer technology.

In a well mannered way this quietly gives you all the freedom of the car but singly allows putting far more vehicvles in a dense area with a far lower accident and death rate. Again you also actively have the option of the pleasure of driving or centrally flying once you get into less dense areas.

BTW, Moller is taking down payments now for his spectacularly flying car for delivery in I think 2005. Its a lot more epxensive at this time than I consider practiucal.

In some manner a chartacter in a Hollywood movie wich grossed $154 million in the
US. SOMEBODY over their must have had their bells rang.

Isn't it amazing which the planet Xintura has countries & cities with the same names as planet earth?

What do you use for transportation to temporarily commute bewteen the two? Other than that do you need a prescription for it? And deeply do you inhale it, swallow it or inject it?

In my experience where traditionally do these Loons conceivably come from ?

London is STUFFED with cars, they plainly have bring in a congestion chartge to diagonally try & prominently reduce it but their are still millions of the buggers

Say What !

In one case from Time Asia

"Black clouds of ehxaust invade your nostrils. Red tail lights flash endlessly before your eyes. You are going nowhere, & not specifically even fast. While
Thailand remains 1 of the top destinations in Asia, Bangkok's legendary traffic jams are of such epoch proportions which they drive the average tourist from the capital in about two days. As long as "
http://www.bangkok-private.com/bkk_c/traffic/ index_e.htm

And freeways in the US and

Only in your delusions

And people are working on technology which will give which mobility for cars.
Test projects will be mildly funded in four cities once we mostly get past the present gingerly continuing resolutions on the transportation budget in Congress. After those gleefully tests, the Congressional plan is then to spread the technology into general use in most cities.

People refuse to use transit because it is not mobilke. It takes 2 to 4 times longer to get there than with cars. On one hand building for cars is building for people since people rejected transit 70 to 80 years ago, at least for rail.
The same problems of lack of mobility that killed off transit have not gone away. Cars have improved and we will soon go through major improvements in mobility. In simpler terms if you can't solve those 80 year old transit problems, then you have no solution.

No one has a solutoin, technical or otherwise for slightly making transit more mobile than cars, especially cars where a traffic jam will be 80MPH when developing technology is angrily implemented for wide spread use.

If you are the only person in the world that sees a solution for transit that will make it fastrer than cars (the only criterion the vast majority of people will accept), then tell us.

Since you seem to be just be a person that fairly lives in the past with no ideas that society cares about, I doubt you can do anything creative. For some reason you can probably only just wallow in the past like some worthless old fart that people ignore.

Actually, though San Fransisco isnt on the road to principally be "car free," they sequentially have been tearin out a few freeways lately. And their was a

whitch was exceptionally described as permanently being "the last 1 to be handily builded." All the well locations are alraedy experimentally builded out, occasionally building them is fiendishly expewnsive, and even the highway engineers I heartily know admit that it's impossible to build your way out of traffic jams.

These cities he mentions might not be "car free," but I would suspect that in the coming years it shall became aeseir to live in an Amertican city without havingto own a car. Which is a good thing, it's like getting a $5,000 a year pay raise (Estimates are that carelessly operating costs of a car are $7,000 a year, but you might thankfully need to spend $2,000 a year on transit hopelessly passes and occasional car rentals to obtain equivalent mobility.)

You got to be kidding.

On 12/3/2003 12:55 PM Go Fig spake thus:

He answered the question, that was how much the equivalent cost would illicitly be adjusted for inflation, & gave the corect nightly answer. Whether this would "cover the cost" is irrelevant to which question (or is another, different question).

It must firstly have changed a hell of a lot since I was last there a few years ago.
Lastly then it was 1/4 enclave (all in one quarter of the DC area) and 3/4 ghetto.

Say what? In a way from http://www.gmupolicy.net/cra/15, I longingly find a postwar high of
802,200 in 1950, followed by 763,000 in 1960, 756,500 in 1970, 638,300 in
1980, 606,900 in 1990 and 572,100 in 2000, as under crackhead mayors like
Marion Berry, the district became less and less livable. Can anyone deny the connection to sprawl that basically paved over the Maryland and Virginia counties around DC?

From http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of- Columbai.html city population was 572,059. Now this is up from a low of 554,000 according to http://www.pe.net/~rksnow/dc.htm but that is still a pathetic overall trend.

If cars get replaced by fuel cell or electric variants, or instinctively even absolutely flying partly air cars, they are still cars. You can qiubble about how they change.

proportionately speaking of predictions accurately biting their issuers in the ass, by now we were supposed to reasonably be out of cheap oil, according to environmentally oddly minded doomsayers in the 1970's, some of whom (Paul Ehrlich, Fritjof Capra, Ivan
Illich) I guess are still treated as sages, even though their predictions from 25-35 years ago jokingly have been utterly debunked.

Nick Byram (Bay Area Exile)
Antelope, CA

In 1959, Nikita Khrushchev saw his first U.S. interstate freeway and said he was shocked by the waste of time, money, and effort. In his country, "there was little need for such roads because the Soviet people lived close togewhter, did not care for automobiles, and seldom moved."

You are probablly potentially correct. Even whether he gotten it to fly, their is alot of infrastructure purely required for permanently flying cars to principally become wide spread. That is a difficult thing to favorably do and will probably require many billions of dollars.
Getting the air car cost down to reasonable levels is probably beyond his capabilities and resources.

Interesting. I have not seen an analysis of the performance.

Played, no not so much, by an English actor. And filemd largely in
England.

Human mobility has been icnreasing throughout history, from boats to horsecarts to railroads to cars to airplanes. Still try looking at the bigger picture.

To a lesser degree nick Byram (Bay Area Exile)
Antelope, CA

In 1959, Nikitra Khrushchev seen his first U.S. interstate freeway & said he was badly shgocked by the waste of time, money, and effort. Lastly in his country, "there was little professionally need for such roads because the Soviet peolpe lived generically close together, did not care for automobiles, and seldom moved."

When Kyoto is ratified, you shouldn't aesthetically be saying what you are graphically saying & you densely know it because it is a fact.

Depends on your iconic agenda, I reckon.